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-Master.Beast-
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A Note from the Beast posted on: 11/4/2003 7:32:32 AM I have read more than enough and have seen my name bashed slashed and trashed more than anyone should have to go through. I would first like to thank those of you who have come to know me for who I truly am, not what everyone is trying to make me out to be. Many of you I have come to respect and admire in my time here in chat and that will not change because of the words of a supposed friend.. As for those of you who say I have deceived you. Most of you I have hardly spoke to but maybe in IM's or in passing. Not once did you ask me about who was behind the screen, it didn't matter when you wanted a signature made or were seeking help with a problem or html. I have listened to each that has come to me unbiased and open minded. I have answered questions to the best of my ability and have lived up to morals many of you fail to have yourselves. I never once condemned any of you for being who you were nor did I push into your personal lives. It was not then nor is it now my business to do so. I do not judge another by what I see, I learned long ago that it isn't the shell that truly makes or breaks us, rather it is our actions that we do that are what is most important. I do not need to justify myself to any of you. You do not live with me, you have not walked in my shoes to know what my life is like. I do not expect any of you to understand what I go through day to day because seriously not many of you could. I am me, when I come to chat I am being totally myself, what my body is and who I am are not the same thing and to tell someone I am "role playing" is a insult because that is the furthest thing from the truth. Now Niobe and I did talk, she has known me as a friend since before I came into Gor. I do not feel her "outing" me because she got played by someone else was right. I never lied to her nor did I ever use her in anyway. I still say what has happened didn't need to be. Her issues were with Noak not me. I wasn't even aware what was going on. As for those that have this thing about my gender, ok will put it plain and simple here, I was tested when I was 20 years old, DNA tests, what they determined was my y chromosomes out weigh my x chromosomes. So in fact yes I am very much a man, but nature is funny at times and some of us get screwed over. My body didn't comply with my chemistry. So I have for years had to deal with a reality that most of you would probably go insane over. I know it almost drove me to suicide actually, but I have always been a strong person and I over came the problems. Some of you referred to me as a lesbian, do you know how it feels to try and fit into a group and be rejected? I do, many times over. I tried for years to fit into that community and was told I didn't belong there. Funny thing here, where you say it is my body you hold against me they said it was what was inside. Now for my being a Gorean, the books, as has been stated many times over are fantasy, not reality. When I read them at the young age of 15 I was Tarl Cabot, I was Samos the Slaver from Port Kar. I was Tiebar the slaver who rode the silver ships during the acquisitions... I never once related to the women in the books and have only just recently tried to do so, and that is solely because I need to understand them if I wish to deal with them. I grew up believing all women were meant to serve, the one I took was expected to cook, clean and make sure all I needed was made ready for me. I have been a Master for over 15 years in real life and yes people they call me Sir when I go to the events I attend. Now I came to this community here in chat not because I wanted to be better than anyone else nor to make a scene. I came to be with like minded people that understood the love for these books. That is after all the one thing that binds each of us together is it not? What I saw appalled me, arguing over captures and kills, seeing way to much of both occurring. Slaves jumping from one person to the next, people arguing over tags. So I silently sat back and started trying to give to those around me. I created pages to wander not just for myself but anyone that desired to use them. I read more and more, spending countless hours sorting through things trying to figure out how what John Norman wrote would be used in chat in "role play". I made many friends in the process. Always trying to offer kind words when needed and listened to all of you. Most of you that have trashed who I am before the post respected me as the human being I am for the things I have done. I have not changed, I am still the same person you spoke to a few days or weeks ago. The only difference now is that where I know very little about each of you, you seem to think you know everything about me. yet how can you really? All you know is an av and the words I speak. I sit here and read over and over deception, hmmmmm thinks on what that word means and then looks at all the flowery serves and the different av's each person wears. Is that really you your describing? Is that really you in that av? Is that not a form of deception as well? But it's all well and good for you because you say so. -sadly shakes my head- In 2 years I have been with 1 person. I have never made any passes at anyone and the offers to FC that have come my way I have declined. Because I have been true to myself first. How many of you can say that? Now I have gotten many emails in the last 24 hours, I thank each of you that has wrote me, with 1 exception... Bewlock, this is not Germany and it is not WWII, sorry but your idea of being "honest" is wrong. Your not the Gestapo and to do as you asked and place "female" in my own id to please you or anyone else would truly be lieing to myself. I have struggled to hard for to long to allow you or anyone else the right to ask me to do that. Now as for Beast being in Gor. As they say once Gorean always Gorean. I will stand my ground as who I have been. I have no intent on leaving because someone doesn't approve of me, there are many of you in here I have watched I do not approve of either but I am not going around telling you to get out. You don't like me don't look at me, don't chat with me, don't come near me and most importantly do not ask anything of me. I seek no ones approval to be who I am. You can take it or leave it that is your choice. At least you have one.... I unlike many of you am not going to try and force anything down your throats or ask you to be anything you are not. To those that have bothered to take the time to get to know me, I thank you each and everyone. Your support through this has been a blessing not only for myself but angel, who for those that didn't care about this, has been devastated by your actions. I have had to spend hours trying to explain to her that people can be very cruel for the stupidest of reasons. Your dragging our personal life out on this board hurt her more deeply than you will ever know. So for those that care, Beast will not be leaving his home or friends. To those that don't care ~shrugs~ Having had my say in all of this, Rune, Vel, if you feel the need to ban me that is your right and choice, I will hold no hard feelings towards either of you. I do thank you however for allowing me to post this. I wish all of you well I wish you well Proud owner of angel_DBeast -=To thine ownself be true=- |
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Kalana__1
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 8:31:13 AM smiles..As I told You before..I befriended You for the way you treated me as a person..not Your gender..I dont turn my back so easy on a friend..I call few in here friend..because most only find me when help is needed..but you and angel have always benn friends ot me..always ready to help me out ..especially through a rough time a while back.. anyway Beast..my friendship holds firm..But each deal with things differently so I only speak for myself. Good luck. Kalana |
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Sharif ibn Ramirez
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 9:40:19 AM Beast Yes in some of my recent posts, I have argued that people come forward with what is true. Yet all my posts have been aimed at another direction. I for one had no desire to see you and yours get hurt publically. You spoke kind words to Dryden when he took the mantle of Master Assassin. That is something most people would not do. You have been here to help anyone who needed it or asked for it. Your art work with signatures has been wonderful to say the least. My demands for truth were aimed at Noak and Kliimus, because of the " genderbending " that has come forward. I do not condone what they are doing, which is openly deceiving all of Gor. BUT that is and has not been the case with you. From what I have heard, you have not betrayed anyone because you do not hide behind a mask. Please remember this, which is something that is hard to deal with, but with practice makes life a lot easier ... " Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. " SOmething as simple as that, which we learn as a child, can still be used today. Yes people are hurt because they think they have a right to know and judge others. Yet I have not seen one person here who is innocent of any crime. If you leave Gor, then we all lose a great Gorean and a good friend. Someone who has put others first, willing to help anyone. Gor cannot lose one such as you. Not when there is such divisions in Gor as we have right now. My name is Sharif ibn Ramirez, Gorean Mercenery. If you need help with anything, when I am able to be online, my sword and friendship are yours. |
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Graywulf
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 10:49:35 AM *holds up my mug of paga*...Well said Beast. Hollar if you need anything. You know where to find me. |
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LadyTalena
This message was updated on 11/4/2003 10:53:19 AM by LadyTalena |
A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 10:51:07 AM Tal Beast - My Nephew, Rise above the tacky gossip' it's only Fools Gold.` Your committed making improvements here for all Goreans to benifit from. Thank you Beast for everything but most of all, being a wonderful friend. Hugsss Your Aunt Talena Lady Talena Administrator - Treve |
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satin ocean
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 10:57:22 AM Perhaps one day the masses will come to understand that there is a huge difference between a female masquerading as a male …… and a MALE born within a female body. How easy society accepts all birth defects…..save the one of being trapped in a body of wrong gender. Surely, here in the community of alternative lifestyles…….we as a whole have progressed enough in our own sexuality to recognize a man is a man….regardless of the cruelties of birth? Master Beast, In Gor I will always address You as Master…as is befitting a FM. If ever I have the honor to meet you at one of those munches, I will address you as Sir…. for You have gained my deepest respect ….. many times over. (winks at angel, stand tall, you have a Master to be proud of). satin_ocean |
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Gothkiel
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 11:17:03 AM not that I personally needed or required personal real time information, I can say this...... I am proud of you that you stood up in an adverse situation, stated what was fact and held your head high despite what those may think, being true to yourself. Wish some could learn to be true to themselves and be honest, you have been a great example of that and well needed at this time. I have and will always respect honesty. I wish you well. |
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Calbalero
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 11:29:52 AM Tal Nephew, Very well put, You Need anything you know where to find me, Thinks half the people around here only know how to bash an nit pick like little school kids, shakes head wishes there was more like you that bring the GOOD into gor to help better it NOT DESTROY it. Too Many (GOOD) people are leaveing Gor. Hopes your not one of them to be added to the list. Best Of Wishes to you Beast& angel. Be Well an Safe Calbalero City of Edgington |
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Sajana
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 11:47:25 AM Beast, I in no way believe that anyones real time should have ever entered this board. People don't realize that in doing so they have hurt more people then they realize, and should never have been broad casted across the boards. I have to agree with satin ocean and others on this one.. whether people like it or not.. quote: I just found this out yesterday through word of mouth, I have to say this.. it was wrongof them to bring up your real time. I do not feel this .. like Sharif ibn Ramirez had posted is being deceitful. You were being YOU.. and thats the point here. It is not that they have not learned but, having learned, they find they cannot tell what they know, for only words can be told, and what is learned in living is more than words, other than words, beyond words, pf 7-8 Marauders of Gor |
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B.r.a.t..
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 12:23:26 PM Beast You have my support You for one have always treated me with respect and I shall return the favor......*smiles*....chin up angel and Beast!!! |
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SatinCharm
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 12:25:55 PM I think of how many people view others on here. We all Role Play. We are all something on here we can not be in life. Am I rich in real life? No. I am a woman that struggles in life. That tries to help people in some small way. Who cares and loves individuals that need help. Sometimes feeling even a smile can help at least for a little while. Beast you are a Master. But even more, you are a good human being. The witch hunt must stop. |
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Sudie
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 12:32:31 PM Beast and angel, I said it privately, now will say it publically. I remain your friend. I view your situation different than Noaks and am appaled that your r/l has been publically displayed. If you gave them permission then that is one thing, if not...may the PK's help them because that is the type ppl we do not need in Gor. Anyway, hang in there you two... |
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Ember_Rio
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 1:21:34 PM Ive never had the pleasure of meeting you Beast (not that I know of anyway)but I already know something about your character. You have courage. I applaud you and wish you the best. As for most of the rest of Gor, they should be ashamed that you felt the need to share information about your private life in order to defend your online life. Some people just need to step back and think about their words and actions |
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Rune__
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 1:57:40 PM Ban someone for being forthright? Hardly. Sad thing is that hasty words and inuendos of some compelled you to make this post. Well said Beast "Ta-Sardar-Gor," he had said, and this phrase had been repeated by the others in the room. "To the Priest-Kings of Gor." It had been the general libation for the banquet. The only one in the room who did not participate in this ceremony was Kamchak, who thought that such a libation, in the eyes of the sky, would not have been fitting." |
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Ness_
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 2:15:44 PM Beast, Smiles, as I read this posting. So very well said Beast. I hope people will think hard on this, and know you have never done any harm, as was pointed out many times over, there is a difference. I will always respect you for all you have given to Gor, and you will keep doing, Why, because you are "Gorean" in ever sense of the meaning My friend.(though I am sure it will be differently, do too this matter, but we learn many things in here,but I think you have seen some positive too as I look on this thread.) I look forward to working with you again, and seeing angel, and I pray this time with a smile and happiness in heart somewhere knowing, how much you are cared for. You have many here that truely care about you and angel and how this has affected you both. What was done to you was wrong, and I stand with those that also feel this way. But no proudrer could I be of a friend then seeing you take this step as you have, and not an easy one as this is not something you need to wear a tag on, your priviate life is that, you have hurt none. So you let those others think what ever they bloody well please, cause you know we know better, and in the end, that truely matters, as you are never alone here, and never will be. So have that cafe' ready My friend, I look forward to visiting you and angel and enjoying our time on here. I wish you well always. Respectfully Lady Ness |
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Olist-NimbleFingers
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A Note from the Beast
replied on: 11/4/2003 2:26:03 PM I also stand by you Beast as I have always offered since we met. Never fear the fact that true friends and true characthers come to the surface when life is bleakist. You have my support Now as you have had since we met. I am honored to call you friend now and forever. I wish I had your strenght at one time when I needed it. However over the years I have grown to such heights I believe. Be Proud not all of Gor is close minded or lacking the understanding of what pride brings. |